Smiths to America 17thC from Ipswich & Wroxall-Warwicks

Hello to all. I found this website while doing some genealogical web surfing. It looked to be of interest. I am researching my family’s English ancestry. Most came from the British Isles in the 17th century. I have two Smith branches.

The one of most interest to me, and on which I have the least information, originates with Joseph Smith. What I believe to be true is that he emigrated from England prior to 1644 with Christopher, Simeon, and William his brothers and Mary his sister: not much to work with! This Smith branch, which is reasonably documented, continued through 1935 until the death of my g. grandfather, but numerous distant cousins carry on the name.

The second is Samuel Smith (b. 1602, d. 1680) who came to New England in 1634 in the Elizabeth. He came from Ipswich with his wife Elizabeth Chileab (b. 1602, d. 1685) and children (Samuel 9, Elizabeth 7, Mary 4, and Philip 1). I believe, but with limited certainty that, Samuel was the son of Samuel Smith (born 19 Jul 1575 in Ipswich and died Jun 1618 in Ipswich) and Barbary Mumford, (born 1579 in Ipswich and died 1624 in Ipswich). Offspring of this branch, via a roundabout route, merged with the above branch in 1784.

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1 July 2007, chellin2 wrote:

Hi Don

I am so pleased you have posted this, you have certainly done well with your research going back as far as you have. We all find the Smiths very hard to find.

Are you living in New England now???

The Joseph Smith that you talk about, do you know exactly where he was living when he emmigrated??? And do you know who he travelled with???

Let us know what we can do for you and please join in the topics and add any new ones that you think might interest us.

Hope to see you around a lot

Chellin

mattycat wrote:

Welcome Don to Smith Chat Forum,

It was good to see that you have told us about your Smith family research and you never know we may be able to help find them for you. As Chellin says do you know where in the UK they lived?

Please feel free to join in any of the Chat or start new topics etc we are all very friendly and have put some interesting things on here. So see you soon

mattycat

Carole wrote:

Hi again Don,
Thanks very much for sharing this interesting information about your Smiths English roots. Your input is valued.

As you can see, I've now moved your Topic from the "Welcomes" board to here, the "Smith & Related - Other UK" Board along with chellin's & mattycat's replies to you. As requested - also added you to the "Smith-Other UK Counties" Usergroup. So your username should always now be displayed in green.

and will chat again soon.
Carole Very Happy

Don wrote:

Thanks for the quick responses. I am from New England (Massachusetts specifically) but now live in Virginia not far from Washington DC.

I have no clue as to where Joseph Smith and his siblings emigrated from. There were perhaps 30,000 emigrants from England to New England before the English Civil War. Ship lists that I found (see http://www.winthropsociety.org/ships.php) identify only a small fraction of these and I would guess there were many, many ships not documented or documentation has been lost.

I’m hoping the grouping of the children’s names, i.e., Joseph,Christopher, Simeon, William, and Mary in the 1630’s or 40’s may resonate with someone. (Names are probably not in birth order)I doubt his wife’s origins points to his birthplace but one never knows.

Joseph married Lydia Huitt on 20 Apr 1656 in Hartford. She was born abt. 1635 in Wroxall, Warwickshire. Her father, Ephraim Huitt (various spellings of Huitt) was a minister near Kenilworth. He drew the displeasure of Archbishop Laud in 1638 and emigrated the following year. This information is from Savage's Genealogical Dictionary of the First Planters. (see http://puritanism.online.fr/puritanism/Savage/savage.html )

mattycat wrote:

Hi Don,
At the moment I am not in my own home .. dog sitting lol.. so next week I will read all your information again and see what I can find .. it is like looking for a needle in a haystack with our Smiths so we will see .. until then .. take care.

mattycat

Carole wrote:

Hello again Don,

Thanks for sending the link to the Winthrop Society Website. What a wonderful site!! I've been exploring it, & must make a mention of it & a link to it from our new "Brits to other continents" Board (& will put a copy of your interests message on there too, whilst I'm at it)

I'm going to study the other site you sent now - "puritanism online" - that should be very interesting too.

I'm changing the Title of your Topic here to:
Smith to America 17thC from Ipswich & Wroxall-Warwicks
Is that better? Let me know if you want a different Subject header? good stuff!!

& we'll change it.

mattycat has said she'll explore your info again & see if she can come up with anything else for you - so we'll see if mattycat can help at all with this, & then take it from there.

Bye for now Don & chat again soon,
Carole

mattycat wrote:

Hi Don,

I have searched my CD's for your Smiths and not come up with anything. They are of Baptisms & Marriages and not all Churches have been transcribed .. but always worth looking at. If they are on the CD's I can get more information about the parents and family members.

mattycat

Hi mattycat & Don Allen,

Don - I notice there are a few entries for Joseph & Lydia in the IGI. It's mostly info that you already have, & for all I know - you could have submitted some of it yourself to LDS, but thought would include it here for interest & for our record.

But what about this first one - that claims that Joseph was "of Whitwell, Rutland" ? If you haven't already - it might be worth following up in Rutland baptisms for Joseph & family?

IGI entry:
Marriage: Joseph Smith : About 1658 (Of, Whitwell, Rutland, England)
Spouse: LYDIA HUITT
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
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The following 3 x IGI entries confirm roughly what you already have:

These 2 are all shown as.........
"Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available".......
Birth: < 1631>
Joseph Smith
(Marriage: 10 APR 1656 Spouse: Lydia HUIT)
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Marriage: 20 APR 1656, Warwick England
Joseph Smith & Lydia Hewett
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This next one has a Film Number hyperlink - I've copied the hyperlink below:
Death 1685 Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut
Born: England / Marriage: 20 APR 1656 Spouse Lydia Huitt
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church.
Film Number: 456260 .......... Link .......
(sorry this link is not working - I'll have to go back & check the URL)
[Sealings for the dead, couples and children (includes some living spouses and children), 1942-1970; heir index, 1944-1972, 1942-1972]Arizona Temple
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So - would it be worth exploring Rutland records? in view of the first mentioned at top of this list?

See you later Very Happy

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Carole, Smith Project/Smith Chat Admin www.smithfamilies.org.uk
Nothing is too small to know, and nothing too big to attempt (William Van Horne)

Carole - Thanks for the information but don’t think it fits. My Joseph is believed to have emigrated prior to 1644 and his marriage to Lydia is shown in various sources as 20 Apr 1656 in Hartford, Connecticut. But, I will take a fresh look at these citations.

I think the key is the family unit comprising his siblings: Christopher, Simeon, William and Mary. Mary married William Partridge and was the mother of Col. Samuel Partridge, a notable figure in the Connecticut Valley in the late 1600’s. There is also some information on Christopher who was an Innkeeper in Northampton.

Don

Hi Don,

Haven't looked for your Joseph Smith line yet but here are some of your Smith 'cousins' from Samuel's line, from "GROUP 1" of our Northeastern Smiths yDNA Project:

[See the following link for the hundreds of 'unrelated' NE Smiths (through
this line anyway) -- one of the great genealogical benefits of DNA testing is
proving who you're NOT related to].

http://www.smithconnections.com/score.cgi?kit=84667

Results
Kit	Name	Markers	Score	Interpretation	Haplotype
84667	Lt.SamuelSmith,b1601Eng. in Hadleigh, Suffolk Co.; arrived in America in 1634 with wife Elizabeth (Smith) and 4 children; res CT; d 1680 Hadley, Hampden Co., MA; descent is through son Chileab	37	0	Comparison Ancestor	R1b1
9217	Nathan Smith,bc1769 CT res, d 1842 Fairfield Co., CT; m 1790 Sarah Tuttle in Darien, CT. Son Jesse,b 1801 Smithtown, LI, NY	37	0	Very Tightly Related	R1b1
11586	Eleazer Smith,bc1745CT (Winchester, Litchfield Co.), 1768-c1790, then in Rensselaer Co., NY; m Mary; d aft 1800	37	1	Tightly Related	R1b1
51914	Lt.Samuel Smith,b1602Eng. (Hadleigh, Suffolk Co.).; d 1680 Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA; m Elizabeth Smith	37	1	Tightly Related	R1b1
67811	Wiley B.Smith,bc1810 NC; d 1865/1875 TX; m Isabella Catherine Jones. Son: John Cuthbert Smith (1847 TN – 1927 TX; m Maria Schiwart	37	1	Tightly Related	R1b1
86341	Lt.Samuel Smith,b1602Eng. in Hadleigh,Suffolk; d 1680 Hadley, Hampden Co., MA; m Elizabeth Chileab; arr colonies c1634. Son: Philip Smith, b 1633 Eng., d 1685 Hadley MA, m Rebecca Foote	37	2	Related	R1b1
46327	Reuben Smith,b1755 MA (Brookfield, West Parish, Worcester Co.); d 2 Feb 1840 Saint Clair Co., MI (Rev. War soldier); also res Onondaga Co., NY; m Mahitabel	37	2	Related	R1b1
N20325	Information to come	12	2	Probably Not Related	R1b1
74811	Aaron Smith,b1760 MA (Hadley); d 1838 Racine, WI; m Sylva (Lydia) Bass. Son: Aaron Jr, b 1797/8 MA/VT; d 1867 Elkhorn, WI; m Nancy Helmich/Helmick	37	2	Related	R1b1
N33337	Smiths,res Beaver Co.,PA. Arthur Lenwood Smith, b c1880 VA	12	2	Probably Not Related	R1b1
82798	Lt.Samuel Smith, b1602 Hadleigh, Suffolk, Eng; d 1680 Hadley, Hampden Co., MA; m Elizabeth Smith	37	2	Related	R1b1
N50310	JamesSmith,bc1750,ME res.; d 18 Nov 1829 in Jonesboro, Washington Co., Maine; m Elizabeth Miller	12	2	Probably Not Related	R1b1
88099	Arthur Smith,b1797 NC; d 1852 Hart Co., KY; m Mary “Polly” Wilhelm (b. 1795 KY; d. 1868 Hart Co., KY) in 1823 in Barren Co., KY	37	2	Related	R1b1
96820	Lt. Samuel Smith, 1602 Hadleigh, Suffolk, Eng; d 1680 Hadley, Hampden Co., MA; m Elizabeth Smith	37	2	Related	R1b1
N2093	Frederic Smith,b1856 Canada (New Brunswick); m Euphemie Morneault 1889 Grand Isle, ME; res Van Buren, Aroostook Co., ME	12	3	Not Related	R1b1
N8356	David Bruce Smith,b1780NH; m (2) Lucinda Bond in 1826; perhaps res CT; d 1855 near Avery, Erie Co., OH	12	3	Not Related	R1b1
N35859	Sidney Smith,b.1815 NY (Suffolk Co. NY)	12	3	Not Related	R1b1
N36984	AugustusW.Smith,bc1820 ME perhaps, near Newburgh	12	3	Not Related	R1b1
N54782	Daniel B.Smith,b.1768/9; d 1825, bur Brownington, VT; m Thankful Willard in Tinmouth, VT, in 1796. 7 children, all in Barton, VT: Charles W., 1796; Orson, 1798; Daniel, 1800; Maria, 1801; Sarah B., 1806; William W., 1809; Clarissa, 1812	12	3	Not Related	R1b1
13025	Samuel Smith,bc1602Eng., Hadleigh, Suffolk; d 1680 Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA; m Elizabeth Chileab; descendants in East Hartford, CT, & Peterboro & New Haven, NY	37	4	Probably Related	R1b1
23160	AndrewSmith,b1738Ger. or Switzerland (Andreas Schmit/Schmidt); d 1 Jul 1811 Baltimore, MD; m Elizabeth	25	4	Not Related	R1b1
30884	Harmon Smith,b1816,PA; d 1855 perhaps Perry Co., IL; m Jane M. Wilgus 1834 in Logan Co., OH	12	4	Not Related	R1b1
35936	John Mears Smithb1859,Eng. (Burslem, Wolstanton, Staffordshire); d 1937 in East Liverpool, Columbiana Co., OH; m Mary Burford	12	4	Not Related	R1b1
9186	AndrewJ.Smith,bc1845Ire. perhaps Co. Cork; d 1890 Hartford, Hartford Co., CT; m Julia A. Burke	12	4	Not Related	R1b1
A99991	James Smith,b1816 Scot. (Old Machar, Aberdeen); d 23 Jul 1885 in Buffalo City, Erie Co., NY; believed to come from Aberdeen in 1835 on ship Brilliant, arr NY; d perhaps 23 Jul 1885 Buffalo. Uncles emigrated also: William chr 7 May 1780 & David Smith chr 5 Apr 1792, both in Banchory, Kincardineshire, Scotland; elder brother John d Scotland 1858	12	4	Not Related	R1b1
N19630	John F. Smith/Schmitt, more information to come	12	4	Not Related	R1b1
53377	Josiah Smith,b1716 CT (Stamford, Fairfield Co.); m Martha Hoyt 1738. Son: Samuel Smith, b 1742 Stamford, CT;; res Hudson City, Columbia Co., NY; m Jemima Ward. 7 children, incl. James Ward Smith (1777 NY-1866 Plymouth, Washington Co., OH); m Esther Alderman). Son: Harvey (1808 NY; d 1877, res Washington Co., OH); m Eliza Dixon	25	4	Not Related	R1b1
64919	Sylvanus Smith,b1743 CT perhaps – d 1812 VT; m (2) Amy Sprague; father of Sylvanus: Thomas, b Eng. d poss. 1783 VT. Sylvanus’s son: Dexter Smith (1803 VT-1873 OH)	37	4	Probably Related	R1b1

Also, which Allens are you descended from? My Smith branch married into the Pittsfield (later Northampton) Allens. IE Rev. Thomas Allen, The Fighting Parson (1743-1810).

Best,
Evan Smith

Evan,

Interesting information. I will have to look through it. Thanks.

I just posted you a response to your earlier post. Hopefully it is helpful to you.

I am most interested in information you find on my Joseph Smith.

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Don

Many thanks for the reply Don.

Where the paper records end we're hoping to find living male Smith descendants to compare DNA with...time to spread the word I 'spose.

FWIW, I replied to a few of your neat Beagle Log (archived) entries:

The Beagle Log, 6 September 2007 - Notable Smiths

23 Aug 07 :What is the name of the river? - Rhine

24 Aug 07 :Notable Smiths - Horace Smith

Best,
Evan Smith

Subject: 'Four Smith Brothers' Wed 23 Jan 2008 - 12:41

BTW, re. the 'Four Smith Brothers,' the Northeastern Smiths yDNA Project has one participant claiming Christopher and another claiming William. Their DNA doesn't match each others but they did find who they're REALLY related to in GROUP'S 18 and 27. You can contact them via PM at: http://www.smithconnections.com/index.cgi

To confirm these lines, descendents of Joseph and Simon/Simeon and more from Christopher and William need to be tested...

ES

Evan,

Thanks for the information I will have to dig into it. Y-DNA markers appear to require a male line. My great-grandfather Chester Smith was the last male in his line. I am separated from him by his daughter and her daughter, my mother. The other male lines, 4 brothers, moved to Bennington, VT in the late 1800's or disappeared.

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Don

Dear Don and other NE US Smith family researchers,

Kristina referred me, in an old e-mail, to your entries in SmithChat from 2007. My name is Kitty Smith and I am the captain/coordinator of Group 18 of the NE Smith DNA Project and Kristina does the same for Group 1.

My branch goes back to Brother Joseph. We have tested men of William's branch, Simon's branch, Joseph's branch, Uncle Arther's branch, and several lines that we aren't sure how they connect yet. They all have exact or close DNA matches with the four brothers branches. (There won't be any DNA for Brother Christopher's branch because he died without children, as you know.) We believe the Group 18 Smiths primarily originated in Oldhaugh (also Old Haugh, or Old Hough), Cheshire, England.

We would love to share info on DNA Groups 1 and 18 if you are still in the family history business. Please let us know.

Kitty & Kristina
Here are my websites:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ksmith8&id=I106

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ksmith8/

Kitty & Kristina

Thank you for your update on Joseph Smith. This line of the family has been a dead-end until now. Your posting is greatly appreciated.

I have been looking at you websites focusing on Robert Smith (b.1783) and his descendents, my line of the family. I notice a few omissions such as my Great Aunt Grace and a few other family members. In the next few weeks I will endeavor to provide you information on my Smith line from Robert up through Chester W (the last of my male Smiths) and his offspring.

Don

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Don

Hi Don,
Did you send me your family tree info? I think you said you had a few details that I may want to include on the Group 18 Smith DNA website info.

Also, are you considering a DNA test

They are on sale right now and it would be a great time to get your 37 marker test done! (In fact, all you genealogist guys should be getting your DNA tested to clarify your family trees and make new family connections

) I know you are interested in brother Joseph's & Lydia Huit's line, but are you a direct descendant on this line? I want to get you added if possible.

I am trying to track down info on two early Smith connections to Group 18. Captain John Smith of Pocahantas fame, claimed to be of the Hatton England Smith family. New England immigrant, George Smith of New Hampshire, claimed to be of the Old Haugh Smiths and he also claimed a close relationship to Captain John Smith.

I got a man tested recently in hopes that he was a descendant of George, but he did not match any other Smith Groups. I doubt now that his immigrant ancestor was George, but more likely Joseph Smith that was thought to possibly be a son of George, but apparently not. (The Hatton Smiths were an off-shoot of the Old Haugh Smith line.) If you can share any info about the parents or grandparents of Captain John Smyth, b. 2 JAN 1579 d. 21 JUN 1631 (son of George Smyth and Alice Rickard), I would love to hear what you or your Smithchat folks can share.

Kitty Smith, Las Vegas, NV
Smith DNA Project
Group 18 Coordinator

KinCityKitty[at]gmail.com

Kitty I am so excited! My Smiths came from Cheshire and I have long suspected there may be a link with Old Hough. I shall pull all the details together and post them here after the Christmas Break. We had some Smiths who went to America. Some about 1840 I think and some to Canada in 1880s or 90s. I shall check it all out.

I am certain that my Smiths were around Beeston, Cheshire in C18 and probably C17.

Does this sound familiar? Gillian

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''What will survive of us is love.''Philip Larkin

Kitty Smith,

I still owe you the promised material. I will get back on it. Will try to have it to you be the early January.

As for brother Joseph's & Lydia Huit's line, how do you define direct descendant? My great grandfather Chester Smith was the last male in my smith line. His daughter Gladys married my grandfather an Evans. Their daughter Harriett married my father an Allen. That gives me a line of 8 males (including Joseph) followed by 2 females. This would be a direct lineage but not a direct male lineage.

Don

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Don

Subject: Direct descentants question Mon 21 Dec 2009 - 15:48

For DNA purposes, when I say direct descendant, I am talking about the line of your last name. The DNA that is used for genealogy testing is passed from father to son, so if you are Don Evans, and you are not adopted, your DNA test would be useful and significant for the Evans DNA Project. Your DNA markers would match your dad's, your paternal granddad's, and on back through the generations.

I found a 9th cousin in Ontario, Canada that took the DNA test for the Joseph and Lydia Huit Smith line. His branch was from son Joe, Junior's line. My branch was from son Simon's line. Because his DNA matched other Group 18 men, we know that the Joseph that married Lydia Huit was one of the "four Smith brothers" that emigrated from England around 1635.

There are tests for mitochondial DNA which is passed from mother to child, but it is less effective for our purposes because it shows a line of mothers. As I understand it, the only matches you would have would be with your siblings. I don't know much about this test.

Family Tree DNA is haveing a sale on their tests now, and I encourage all readers here to get their Smith men tested with a 37 marker y-DNA test. Here in North America, DNA is helping us untangle the many branches in the Smith forest. A DNA test will usually give you contacts to unknown cousins to share your research with. It can be a great tool to learn about your past.

Happy hunting,
Kitty Smith is my married name, Cooper was my maiden name, and my Joseph Smith twig "daughtered-out" with my mom's generation. My maternal grandfather was a Smith descendant of Joseph & Lydia Huit.