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 |  Subject: Thomas Smith b c1832 Sheffield to Lanarkshire Scotland(COPY)  Thu 19 Jun 2008 - 18:33 | |
| The original Topic posted here by alistrsmff has now been transferred to our West Riding of Yorkshire Board in view of the search for Sheffield records..
link Thomas Smith born abt 1832 Sheffield to Lanarkshire Scotland
This copy retained here on "Other Counties..."
in view of Lanarkshire, Scotland connections. 
| 9 June 2008, alistrsmff wrote: | | Hi, trying to find Thomas Smith who was born abt 1832 Sheffield, Son of Thomas Smith knife blade forger & Mary Smith. He moved to Lanarkshire Scotland in the 1860's and supposedly married an Agnes Morrison in Anderston Glasgow abt January 1866. I believe after much searching however there was no marriage in the legal sense, and he wasn't free possibly because of another marriage in England. He live with & supported Agnes & raised about 7 children. None of the children were written on the birth extracts as illegitimate. Whether he was a runaway from the army & Smith was an assumed name.. I not sure. He died in 1914 in Wishaw Cambusnethan Lanarkshire. Would welcome any ideas. |
| 11 June 2008, Carole wrote: |  Hi alistrsmff,
Thanks for sharing your Smith interests.
Am I right in thinking you're now trying to trace Thomas and family's Sheffield area records? If so - it might be a good idea if we move this topic to our West Riding Yorkshire Board, and then post a full copy back to here - the other counties board - in view of Lanarkshire.
Have you tried 1841 and 1851 Sheffield Census at all yet? If not, I have a partial index of Smiths in 1841 Census Sheffield, so I'll check this later today & see if any Thomas Smith, age about 9 (lots of them I bet!) - and any Thomas Smith (Snr) with an occupation similar to "knife blade forger".
So will report back later about that, alstr.
Also check our >> Smith Project Links Cabinet >> for a wealth of searchable database sites that you might find helpful. Some of those are free access, some are free to search the indexes but require a fee for downloading full records.
Also see the Sheffield Indexers site at
http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/index.html
Lots of new record transcriptions being added there on quite a regular basis - so be sure to keep a watch on it
Back later. |
| 12 June 2008, Carole wrote: | Hi again alstr,
Please see message above first.
Here's a bit of info from Sheffield 1841 Census index.
The nearest possible for an occupation match for Thomas Snr, knife blade forger,
seems to be this.......
1841 Township Sheffield Piece HO-107-1335/3
Folio 5 - Garden Street
Name / Approx birth year / age / occupation
Smith Thomas / c1796 / 45 / blade maker / ?Yes born in county (Yorkshire)
others indexed for same address......
All surname Smith, all shown as "yes" born in Yorkshire.
Ann / 1820 / 21 / blade maker
William / 1823 / 18 / blade maker
John / 1826 / 15 / blade maker
Edwin / 1829 / 12
Martha / 1831 / 10
nb: no Mary nor other possible spouse found to match above folio - & no Thomas Jnr -
and you'll need to check original census document to confirm that. But see the following - slight possibility same family if Thomas Jnr and these other children were staying with relatives or friends that night?? (longshot!!)............
1841 Sheffield Piece HO-107-1336/7
Folio 19a - Talbot Street, Sheffield Park.
Smith Thomas / age 8 - yes born in Yorkshire
and other children named Smith -
Mary age 9, Henry age 5, Eliza age 4, Richard age 3
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Next possible occupation-wise that I have is
1841 Sheffield Piece HO-107-1336/3/
Folio 25 South Street Sheffield
Smith Thomas, pen-knife cutter, age 35
and a Thomas Smith age 3 is indexed for same folio/address -
so wrong age for your Thomas Jnr. But might also be a good idea for you to check the original document for others at that household too.
Hope this might be of some help. Either way, please keep us informed alstr. Will be interesting to follow your research.
Carole  |
| 18 June 2008, alistrsmff wrote: | Thank you Carrole, yes looking at the english census's is a bit of a muddle, this is a major problem with the Smith name, in my instance, because he moved to Scotland but never married the woman he lived with apparently. The connection may have been made, if there had been a reference to his parents place of marriage, & therefore to his birth, & other sibblings. The 1881 to 1901 Scottish census's all suggest abt an 1832 birth, but the 1871 says abt 1837 & this tends more close to his death extract of 1914 aged 76, in Wishaw Scotland. Don't know whether the transitional period of 1837 civil registration in England could have something to do with?
It may also be that the information given by his wife so to speak, (she died in 1915), may not have been accurate, especially if there was was not contact between them. Mary may well be a 2nd or nickname of his mother. Anyway I'll have look at the census info you suggested, Thanks again Lindsay. |
Hi Lindsay - Your original Topic now transferred to our West Riding of Yorkshire Board in view of your search for Sheffield records, & I've replied to you there 
link Thomas Smith born abt 1832 Sheffield to Lanarkshire Scotland
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