Richard Smith b1627 England, to Northumberland Virginia USA

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E F Smith wrote:

Looking for English origin of Richard Smith b 1627, immigrated to Northumberland, Virginia,USA 1657, married Anne Hull 1669, d 1678.

Gillian wrote:

Hi there!
Have you any more details about Richard Smith? Do you know where he was born? May be you know the UK county where he lived? or possibly the port he sailed from?

Sorry to shoot all these questions at you but I have Richard Smiths in my history and we need to know where to start looking for yours!

I look forward to hearing some more, Gillian

maxine wrote:

Hello E F Smith
There is a welcome message for you here on the welcome board

I have also added you search to our Around the World :: Britons to U.S. of AMERICA, and CANADA board

I have added you request to the calendar for a few days as well.

I see that Gillians already asked you lots of questions so fingers crossed that you have a connection.

Carole wrote:

Hi all, and thanks EF, for telling us about your Richard Smith.

I was just wondering???
Because Richard settled in Northumberland, Virginia - Is it possible that this might indicate he was from Northumberland, North East England?? Only a speculation - as the early settlers I think (though I'm not certain) did seem to name their towns in America after their British towns of origin. Don might be able to answer that question better than we Brits?

See y'all later?

Carole Very Happy

Thanks for your speedy responses. Unfortunately I don't have much info on Richard before he came to USA. Thus the reason for my post. He had a small son William that came with him in 1657. Family stories claim was kicked out of England by Cromwell. Some say name was spelled Smyth. I believe he was indentured when he arrived in USA. Will search for other clues that might narrow him down.

It would be good if we had a little more to go on! Again I have to say that William was a common name in my family, however, it was a much used name anyway. I think that Smith and Smyth could be interchangeable, words/names were not always spelt the same way in those days. Equally, if he wanted to 'make a fresh start' for any reason he may have changed the spelling himself.

Do you know whether he was literate? That might be an indication to his social status. Do let me know if you have any more info to pass on. Thanks Gillian

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Hi E F!

I have just added you to the 'Green' user group. I wonder how you are getting on with your research? Have you any family documents to look at such as wills or even a family Bible? Good hunting anyway, Gillian

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Hi Gillian, Thank you for that,
& Hello again EF,

I noticed there is a "non-Parish-Register" entry in the IGI Database at Familysearch.org giving only the same information about your Richard, as you have told us. And you've probably already explored other possible IGI indexed Christenings entries for William and Richard (though of course the Registers that include their Christenings might not yet have been transcribed or indexed anywhere, even if they have survived). But for interest...........

for those included in the IGI database, all British Isles, for correct dates. for.......

William Smiths born/Christened between 1645-1657, son of Richard.
From about 70 separate entries, these can be condensed to 30 or less possibles, as listed below, as some entries are duplicated or triplicated, & some indicate Infant deaths.

Willm Smith / Father: Richard Smith
Chr: 23 SEP 1655 Kirkburton, Yorkshire,
IGI Batch No.: P009721 1540 - 1653 / 1653 - 1711
**Some other Smiths in same Batch.................
**Richard Smith, Chr: 21 OCT 1629**Kirkburton, Son of William.
**Wyllim Smyth, Chr 14 JUN 1585 Kirkburton, Son of William.
**Willhelmus Smithe, Chr 19 FEB 1567 Kirkburton, Son of Tomi
**Wyllmus Smyth, Chr 28 FEB 1550 Kirkburton, Son of Wyllmi
(nb: Kirkburton is in West Riding)

Others...........

Birth: 1650 Bramham, Yorkshire LDS Film No 453984 (sbmtd by LDS Church member)
(nb: Bramham is in West Riding)

Birth: 30 OCT 1656 Chr:09 NOV 1656 St Peter, Leeds Yorkshire
IGI Batch No. P009621 1572-1776
**& 2 x matching entries.... Birth: 30 OCT 1656 Ipsa Pitts, Leeds
**Mother - Ann Hind /LDS Film Nos: 448054 & 455419 /sbmttd by LDS Church Members)
(nb: Leeds is in West Riding)

Birth: 27 FEB 1655 Hayton, Yorkshire IGI Batch No.: C108713 1610-1718 / 1867-1885
(nb: Hayton is in East Riding)

Chr:16 JUL 1650 Huyton By Roby, Lancashire IGI Batch Number: P005131 1578-1727
(nb: Huyton & Roby are in south-west Lancashire)

Chr: 09 FEB 1649 Thatcham, Berkshire / IGI Batch No.J157791 1560-1812

Chr: 03 OCT 1650 Bradfield, Berkshire / IGI Batch No C017892 1539-1748

Chr: 07 DEC 1651 Saint Gluvias, Cornwall / IGI Batch No C053171 1599-1746

Birth: 02 FEB 1657 Chr:12 FEB 1657 Pillaton, Cornwall
Mother - Agnus / IGI Batch Number:P002191 1557-1812

Chr: 26 JUN 1647 Popham, Hampshire
IGI Batch No.7127815 (sbmtd by LDS Church member)
**Included in same Batch is
**Richard Smith (son of Robert) Chr: 23 SEP 1627**Weyhill, Hampshire

Chr: 07 MAR 1646 Birchington, Kent
Mother - Sarah Smith IGI Film Nos: 458919 & 442618 (sbmtd by LDS Church members)
**possibly the same, despite Christening date one year discrepancy.........
**Chr: 07 MAR 1647 Birchington, Kent / Gulielmus Smith s/o Richardi & Sarae
**Death: 09 MAR 1647 / IGI Batch Number: P016491 1538-1675

Chr: 13 JUN 1652 Loughborough, Leicestershire
IGI Batch No 7535772 (sbmtd by LDS Church member)
**Possible for Richard, the father -
**Richard Smith (son of Robert) Chr:23 March 1627** Loughborough
**IGI Batch No 7008401(sbmtd by LDS Church member)

Chr: 13 MAY 1649 Broughton By Brigg, Lincolnshire IGI Batch No C026871 1538-1733

Chr: 09 JUL 1650 Barnoldby Le Beck, Lincolnshire
Death: 27 JUL 1650 / IGI Batch Number: C026052 1640 - 1775 / 1800 - 1833

Chr:28 OCT 1649 St Benn'T, Pauls Wharf, London IGI Batch No:P001361 1619-1837
**2 x LDS Church Members matching entries,
**give Mother's name: Elizabeth (LDS Film Nos 445934 & 458606)

Birth: 07 NOV 1655 Saint Margaret Lothbury, London IGI Batch No C022732 1558 - 1774

Birth: 11 JAN 1657 Chr: 12 JAN 1657 St James, Clerkenwell, London
Mother: Jane : IGI Batch No: P001411 1551 - 1754
**& 3 matching entries, apart from Year discrepancy (1656 not 1657)
**Chr: 12 JAN 1656 Clerkenwell, London / Mother -Jane
**LDS Film Nos 455843, 446062 & 457366 (submitted by LDS Church Members)

Chr: (named Guilielmas)17 NOV 1650 Nether Heyford, Northamptonshire
Mother- Francisca
Death (of infant Guileilmas/William) 23 NOV 1650
IGI Batch No: 7010710 (submitted by LDS Church Member)
**In same Batch is ...
**Richard Smith, Chr 13 MAY1630 Ashby Saint Ledgers, Northamptonshire
**son of Richard & Marion.

Chr:13 JUN 1646 Blyth, Nottinghamshire.
IGI Batch No 7212204 (submitted by LDS Church member)

Chr: 06 AUG 1651 Broseley, Shropshire
Mother - Anne IGI Batch No: P011551 1570 - 1750
** & 2 other matching entries
** (submitted by LDS Church members) LDS Film Nos: 402052 & 458212

Chr: 1656 Porlock, Somerset
Mother - Joan (Submitted by LDS Church member. No source information)

Chr: 17 AUG 1654 Sedgley, Staffordshire
Mother - Dority / IGI Batch Number P009981 1558 - 1685
** & 3 other matching entries....
** Birth: 17 MAY 1654 Sedgley / Mother - Dority
** (submitted by LDS Church members) LDS Film Nos: 18360, 1239534 & 184747

Chr: 24 FEB 1654 Oxted, Surrey,
Death: 24 JUL 1656 / IGI Batch No P015351 1613-1682 / 1705-1812

Birth: 10 NOV 1656 Chr: 07 DEC 1656 St Olave, Southwark, Surrey
IGI Batch No.C022722 1639 - 1665

Chr: 31 JAN 1645 Farnhurst, Sussex
(submitted by LDS Church member) IGI Batch No 7136403

Chr: DEC 1654 Downton, Wiltshire
(submitted by LDS Church member) IGI Batch No 8523833

Chr: 20 JUN 1647 Belbroughton, Worcestershire
Mother - Jone / IGI Batch No C039852 1540 - 1727

Chr: 07 FEB 1657 Saint Thomas, Dudley,Worcestershire
Mother - Elizabeth.
Death (of infant William) 08 FEB 1657 / IGI Batch No C078181 1541 - 1691
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British Isles other than England

Scotland
Chr: 07 MAR 1654 Humbie, East Lothian
Mother - Bessie Shaw
(submitted by LDS Church member. No source information available)

Ireland
Birth: 22 AUG 1657
Chr: 23 AUG 1657 Derry Cathedral, Templemore, Londonderry
IGI Batch No C700431 1642 - 1703
** & 2 matching entries submitted by LDS Church members
** (LDS Film Nos: 1239646 & 184286)
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EF, you can search the full Batch numbers at >> Familysearch.org >>
for other Smiths possibly related to the above families.

Have you got any names of William's siblings or half-siblings (children of
Richard & Anne), as this might give a clue as to the naming pattern of Richard's own siblings?

About this........

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Family stories claim was kicked out of England by Cromwell.....

You could search for any references to Richard Smith in the County Victoria History Volumes, and other historical documents and publications - available for searching at >> British History Online >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/

Hope you'll be able to do some eliminating from the above list E.F. It will be very interesting to follow your progress, so hope you'll please keep us informed good stuff!!

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Carole, Smith Project/Smith Chat Admin
Nothing is too small to know, and nothing too big to attempt (William Van Horne)

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Wow, I am estatic with all your help!

I started working with the IGI entries, but not sure what else to do with them. After picking the most promising, I checked for birthdates and locations to match in Ancestry to try and match or rule out my William and Richard, but not sure what other data I can check against, ideas?

"Have you got any names of William's siblings or half-siblings (children of
Richard & Anne), as this might give a clue as to the naming pattern of Richard's own siblings?"

Richard Smith and Anne Hull (widow of Capt. John Hull) named their children John b. 1670, Thomas b. 1671, Richard Jr born 1672.

William Smith b. 1657ish married Elizabeth Downing in 1695 (her parents Willoiam and Margaret) and named their children Edwin, John, Samuel, Isaac, Benjamine, Elizabeth, Anne, Frances.

Thanks again for overwhelming response!

E F Smith wave

Hi EF,

You're welcome. Yes I have a bit of a "fettish" for looking at tying up Smith families Very Happy

in the IGI database at Familysearch.org. A wonderful research tool. I know there are some errors in there, but on the whole - the Batch numbers which relate to transcriptions from original Parishes' registers provide a very good finding aid, I reckon.

I've just left a note for Don on his North America Board - on the copy topic that Maxine posted.............>>> Richard Smith b 1627 to ........ (COPY) >>>
to see if Don can advise at all re migration records/ports of departure etc, for those early dates ....... (Don lives in Virginia)

EF, Are you thinking as I am that William's mother had perhaps died before he and his father Richard went to America? and that Richard took only the one child William with him to America? No other children?

I have to go out now EF - so will write to you again either tonight or tomorrow about how I would go about attempting to eliminate from the IGI Data.

So until then.............

Carole :wave2:

Hi again EF,

Got back here eventually. Wondering about the stories that have been passed down through your family about Richard being kicked out by Oliver Cromwell. Interesting this, isn't it! Have the family stories included any reasons why? such as - was he a prisoner? Was Richard definitely from England, and not Scotland or Ireland? I think I've read about Cromwell "transplanting" a lot of Irish & Scottish to the "New Colonies".

Keeping in mind that your Richard and William might not even be included in the Parish Registers data that is indexed in the IGI.........
Whilst its not known which area they were from, any of that data is possible. But at least it gives some to start eliminating, if you can. (nb: there might be others indexed in the British Vital Records Index BVRI 2 - I haven't got those CDs)

Some of the Christening index entries in the list posted above, if correct, indicate infant deaths. So I've now "greyed out" those, leaving about 25 x IGI Christenings data, still possible for your William Smith. You could go back to those Christenings Batches - search the same batch numbers for any other children of Richard/possible siblings of William.
(If you know that Richard took only the one child to America with him - possibly no other siblings?).

And for same Parish or town..... either IGI or Parish registers......
- for any possible siblings of Richard for around the years of his own Christening.
- for possible marriages of Richards & wife names.
- wife - for a possible death or burial recorded in the same Parish or area before 1657?

New Parish Registers' transcriptions are now being added on an ongoing basis at both
>> findmyPast.com >> and >> The Genealogist >> . You can check the current status of databases at those sites, before having to register.
Also explore our own >> Links Cabinet >> - as we have a very good collection to other sites that you might find useful. When I can get to it - will see if can dig up anything else on those Smiths of W.R.Yorkshire (Kirkburton, Bramham, & Leeds) & Lancashire (Huyton By Roby) that are included in the IGI List I posted.

Yes - not an easy search that lies ahead of you, EF!! But never give up!! Who knows what you might yet find!! Please keep us informed - it could prove very interesting!!

Carole :cheers: