Smyth m Rutherford Manchester 1842 (of Irish origins)

Notes copied by Carole, Admin, from Ireland Board Topic >> Smythe. Ireland >>
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18 May 2007, walr wrote:

............. thought I would update you on my progress. I expect you remember I was looking for James Rutherford and Mary Smyth. I have found a union in Manchester Cathredal in 1842 that fits the bill for time and name, more interestingly in the census it shows Mary as born in Ireland and James born in Scotland/Ireland. I think I am on the right track as I haven't been able to find another marriage of these two names that fits the time elements. Proving and connecting is another issue of course......

Carole wrote:

Hiya Wal ......congratulations for finding James & Mary's marriage! Great!

As I know that Manchester Cathedral Marriages are indexed on Lancashirebmd so far for 1837-1855 - thought would just check for the details they have at Manchester Registry Office - and this is it............

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1842

Surname Forename(s) RUTHERFORD James
Surname Forename(s) SMITH Mary
Church: Manchester Cathedral
Registers At: Manchester
Reference CATH/24/347

So - unless you have it already - you can order the Marriage Certificate directly from Manchester Registry Office by quoting the above reference number.

For interest - There's also the following RUTHERFORD indexed for the same year - so thought would note it - in case you later find that this Mary Rutherford might be a relative..........
RUTHERFORD * Mary & MCKINZIE Daniel
Manchester Cathedral / Registers at Manchester: Ref CATH/24/314
But other alternate entries for the same marriage have also been discovered by Manchester Reg Office & click on the "Rutherford *" link above - it should give you a list of the alternate entries.

Keep us informed good stuff!!

Good to follow your progress.

Carole,
Thanks for going to that trouble, I will order the certificate. Yes, there are so many mary's around I have now taken to calling them "bloody mary's." God; did I say that.? Never mind I will get better as time goes by. I managed to check a census or two and found that Mary Smyth was born in Ireland or it appears that way, so it looks like I will be heading back to Belfast.
Regards
Wal

Carole wrote:

Hi walr,
Yes - there are so many Mary Smiths, Smyths, Smythes!! I have a few in my family tree!!

When you have the certificate & if you decide that is definitely your Mary, married in Manchester - then we must be sure to put something on our East & South-East Lancashire Board .........
and later to add your interests to "The Smith List of Lancs, WRY, IoM".
So keep us informed, won't you.............

Hello Carole,
Could you tell me the advantage of ordering a birth cert from Manchester Cathedral when I have managed to download a copy that gives parents, addresses etc, not being smart, really want to know if there is any further detail on the purchased certificate. The only problem I have with this match is the occupation, both James and his father are listed in various places as mechanics. The marriage cert. of James Smythe and Catherine Totton in Belfast list his father as a carpenter. If you can make any sense out of this you are truly a wonderful moderator. How's mattycat these days, still plugging on I guess.
Regards
Wal

Hi Walr

Carole is not about at the moment and I don't know enough about your family to help you very much. However Carole will be back before too long and I'm sure she will be in touch.
Keep up the good work, Gillian

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Thank you, Gillian.
Regards
Wal

maxine wrote:

Hiya Walr

I can not think of any more information from the birth certificate that you might get apart from where born but you might already have that and if a child has a twin the time is on the birth cert
Hope this helps.

Carole wrote:

Hi Wal
Hope all is going Ok for you, & I'm sorry I wasn't around at the time you posted in April. I had quite a bit of time absent from the Forums during April & May due to a bout of illness & other stuff. I'm still catching up with posts that I missed!! And thanks very much Gillian and Maxine for stepping in here.
Wal - about your queries...........

25 April 2008, walr wrote:

.......... Could you tell me the advantage of ordering a birth cert from Manchester Cathedral when I have managed to download a copy that gives parents, addresses etc, not being smart, really want to know if there is any further detail on the purchased certificate.

As Maxine says, it sounds as though you have about as much information as you would get on the actual registration certificate - apart from - name of the person who registered the birth & the exact date of registration.
BUT, I'm curious......
as you've said "from Manchester Cathedral" and not "from Manchester Registry Office", I'm thinking you must mean that the document you have downloaded is perhaps the baptism record - is that correct? In which case - that will give the date of the baptism and possibly not the actual date of birth - which would be shown on the Birth registration certificate.

walr wrote:

..........The only problem I have with this match is the occupation, both James and his father are listed in various places as mechanics. The marriage cert. of James Smythe and Catherine Totton in Belfast list his father as a carpenter. If you can make any sense out of this ....

Could it be possible that James Snr had been a Carpenter and then - perhaps training of mechanics began - so he went for the training??? Only thing I can think of!!
Carole Very Happy

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Nothing is too small to know, and nothing too big to attempt (William Van Horne)

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Wal, you are now in the >> Red Usergroup >> (Smiths of Lan,WRY & Isle of Man)
as well as remaining in the >> Green UserGroup >>

Hello Wal,
Hope all is OK for you. How is the research going?

In view of your Manchester connection, this new topic
"Smyth m Rutherford Manchester 1842 (of Irish origins)"
now created here on our "East & South-East Lancashire" Board, from copies of posts from your Ireland Board Topic >> Smythe. Ireland >>

Chat soon,
Carole wave

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Nothing is too small to know, and nothing too big to attempt (William Van Horne)