Carole
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 |  Subject: Smiths of Tatham, Lancaster District, & Bentham WRY  Tue 1 Jul 2008 - 17:52 | |
| Hi all 
Notes from our West Riding Yorkshire Board, from Suronda's topic ......
>> joseph smith of moorgarth ingleton >>
copied here to "Lancasire - Other Districts" board as it's looking very possible that Joseph Smith and his brother Bryan were Christened in Tatham (Lancaster District) and were the sons of Francis Smith & & Elin Borrow, who were married in Tatham in 1774......
| suronda wrote: | Hi everyone,
I'm looking for the parents of Joseph Smith who married Isabella Battersby 27 Dec 1796 in Bentham, West Riding of Yorkshire. I know he was a yeoman of Moorgarth, Ingleton, that he had a brother called Bryan, and he died in 1802 leaving one son Joseph Waller Smith. Any help tracing Joseph or Bryan prior to 1796 would be greatly appreciated............
.......... I'm wondering if my Joseph Smith actually came from Tatham as so far the only Joseph and Bryan siblings I have found in the right time scale were son's of Francis Smith in Tatham.
I'm descended from Joseph's grandson William Smith who lived and died in Ingleton, and his daughter Elizabeth who moved to Burnley and died in Brierfield.
If these names mean anything to anyone, please contact me. Help urgently needed! Suronda...................
................ Still no nearer with placeing Joseph's birth place - or date of birth. Unfortunately he died when his son (and only child) Joseph Waller Smith was only two years old, so there are no family names to look into apart from Joseph. I have found Waller's living in Ingleton at this time, but no connecting marriages to account for the middle name. I found mention of his brother Bryan through Joseph's Will - held at Preston Records Office. Am now busy searching Will's of other Smith's from the area in the hope of getting a bit further. Watch this space............ |
| Carole wrote: | Hi suronda,
First a little map snippet so that anyone interested can see the area that we're talking about. Showing the North Lancs/North WRY boundary and the close proximity of Tatham, Bentham & Ingleton.
snippet taken from Lancashire Family History &
Heraldry Society's >>North Lancashire 1851 Census map >>
Well it is looking as though your theory about the Joseph and Bryan Smith Christened in Tatham, sons of Francis, is possibly your family - is probably correct!!
Here is the marriage of whom I'm now believing is that Francis......
nb - described as being a Weaver of Bentham....
From Lancs Online Parish Clerks Site (OPC)
>> Marriages at St James the Less in the Parish of Tatham >>
Register for the years 1754 - 1812. Transcription by Lynn Ransom Burton.
8 Jan 1774 Francis Smith, Bentham parish weaver,
& Elin Borrow
W: Robert Clough, John Smith
Entry Number: 120
There are only 2 marriages for name of Francis Smith in this Tatham 1754-1812 Register transcription at Lancs OPC, and the other one, who I'm now believing to be father of the above Francis, is.........
20 Apr 1755 Francis Smith, Melling parish yeoman,
& Elizabeth Huthersall, by Licence
W: Josias Smith, Richard Ash
Entry Number: 12
Tatham baptisms registers
No transcripts yet at OPC, but they are indexed in the IGI -
in Tatham Batch Number P005271 1558 - 1837
(this type of Batch number, as you probably know, indicates that these have been transcribed by the Church of Latter Day Saints from the actual Parish Register or Bishops Transcripts)
So - from IGI Batch No. P005271 - Tatham Baptisms:-
Children of Francis Smith
No mother's name given, but probably of Francis Smith Snr - 1755 Marriage above)
JOHN SMITH
Chr: 09 SEP 1759 Tatham
ISABEL SMITH
Chr: 21 JUN 1761 Tatham
FRANCIS SMITH
Chr: 27 MAY 1764 Tatham
MARY SMITH
Chr: 28 JUL 1765 Tatham
WILLIAM SMITH
Chr: 21 FEB 1768 Tatham,
SUSAN SMITH
Chr: 24 JUN 1770 Tatham
JAMES SMITH
Chr: 19 JUL 1772 Tatham
Children of Francis Smith
No mother's name given, but probably of Francis Smith Jnr - 1774 Marriage above)
Your Joseph & Bryan ???
JOSEPH SMITH
Chr: 08 JAN 1775 Tatham
BRYAN SMITH
Chr: 05 AUG 1781 Tatham
All these Baptisms indexed in IGI Batch P005271 - Tatham Baptisms:-
(can search full batch at >> Familysearch.org >>)
Does this help you feel a bit more confident about the Tatham connection, suronda?
or am I barking up the wrong family tree 
Edited .........
Suronda, please see above first,
Just noticed a discrepancy.......
Francis Smith, Christened 1764, son of Francis Smith Senior.
Depends what age when Christened - but if only an infant, he'd be a bit too young for the marriage in 1774!! 
Hmmmm - would need to check the Tatham Register itself, or the microfiche copy - to check whether that date given in the IGI is correct. But perhaps Francis, father of Joseph was Christened in Bentham, anyway?
.................... Aaaah this looks more like it.......
FRANCIS SMITH
Chr: 15 APR 1739 Bentham, Yorkshire
Parents Thomas & Margaret SMITH
IGI Batch No. P007301 1673 - 1812
Suronda - you probably already know this, but if not.....
Registers for Bentham included in the IGI are........
Parish of Low Bentham
C 1673-1812;
M 1668-1812
Chapel le Dale Chapelry
C 1775-1813, 1813-1843
Chapelry of Ingleton.
C 1607-1812, 1813-1848;
M 1607-1643, 1654-1844
Carole |
Does anyone know of any connections or any other Data for this Smith family of Tatham / Bentham / Ingleton? or other information that might help Suronda?
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