Smythe. Ireland.

Subject: Smythe. Ireland. Sun 4 Mar 2007 - 23:51

Trying to trace my Grand Mother, Mary Smythe. married James Rutherford c1825, Belfast I think. They had one child I am sure of, James Smythe Rutherford b1843. married Catherine Totton 1862 St Anne's Church of Ireland Belfast. MIgrated to Australia 1864, have good detail from there.
James Smythe was born Belfast.

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Hi Walr,

I have searched for Mary Smythe & James Rutherfords marriage and sorry I have found nothing. I then tried for the marriage of James & Catherine. The strange thing is I have come up with a marriage for a James Rutherford & a Catherine Toton in 1862 but different from yours above....

Marriage of
James Rutherford age 20 to Catherine Totton age 19
on the 25th October 1862 Civil Registration in Belfast County Antrim Ireland.
Parents James Rutherford & James Totton or is this just the Civil marriage before the Church marriage?

Let me know what you think and if I can help in any other way, no promises of success though lol

mattycat

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Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Mon 5 Mar 2007 - 21:17

Thanks for that mattycat, yes it is the same marriage, in Belfast, St Anne's Church of Ireland,There was a wittness for James (Joseph Lindsay) and it lists Catherine as a Weaver. Father James Totton.

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Thanks for letting me know, it never mentioned a Church. If there is anything else I can help with just give me a shout.

mattycat

Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Sun 1 Apr 2007 - 21:02

Hello walr,

How are things going for you & your research? Any nearer to finding more information for Mary yet? Please let us know if there's anything we can do at the moment to try & help.

Also wanted to mention that I've now added your Username to the "Smith-of Other UK" Usergroup. Only reason for this is - it means your name will be displayed in green - to differentiate from those who are researching Smith of Lancs, WRY & Isle of Man.

Chat again soon wal wave

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Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Sun 1 Apr 2007 - 21:55

Still struggling Carole, but I am sure we will get there. thank you for your interest. I have found a fair amount on the Smythes in Ireland, just have to prove connections.
Good Luck
Wal

Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Tue 3 Apr 2007 - 10:10

Thanks for updating us Wal, glad to hear you've found some possible Smythes & hope you'll be able to prove the connections. Yes, please do keep us informed, we are interested & as Smith Chat progresses - hopefully will eventually have more members here who are researching their Irish ancestors.
So keep in touch!! Very Happy

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Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Wed 4 Apr 2007 - 5:51

Of course we will Carole, can't keep the bloody irish down
Wal

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Hi Walr,

I am also searching for the Irish .. but not Smith's ... one my Maternal GreatGreat Grandfather ... just "Born Ireland?" the other's with more success in Donegal are my Husbands side and mamaged with help to go as far as a marriage early 1800's .

mattycat

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Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Wed 4 Apr 2007 - 19:56

G'Day Mattycat,
Managed to find my GF marriage and Birth info 1844, Belfast. Cannot find GGF details in Ireland. Have broadened my search to Northumberland where I have found a family of Rutherfords which fit the bill fairly well, trying to find (and prove) connections. I am beginning to feel that James father may have moved to Belfast seeking work etc, (given the position at the time), met and married Mary Smythe and produced my GF.
I expect time will tell, along as I have enough left. Laughing

Regards
Wal

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Hi Wal,

That's good news and anytime you want help again .. just give me a shout .. even Northumberland.

Thank you for letting me know .. keep intouch...

Have a good Easter

mattycat

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Subject: merge back to walr - smythe ireland Fri 18 May 2007 - 8:05

Well, Mattcat and Carole, thought I would update you on my progress. I expect you remember I was looking for James Rutherford and Mary Smyth. I have found a union in Manchester Cathredal in 1842 that fits the bill for time and name, more interestingly in the census it shows Mary as born in Ireland and James born in Scotland/Ireland. I think I am on the right track as I haven't been able to find another marriage of these two names that fits the time elements. Proving and connecting is another issue of course. It,s a beautiful balmy tropical night here in Nth Queensland. Having a lovely Barramundi and Mud Crab dinner and one or two bottles of red just for the hell of it. Wish you were here.
Regards
Wal :>>:

Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Wed 20 Jun 2007 - 18:50

chellin2 wrote:

Thats Great news Walr, we all seem to be getting somewhere with our searches lately.

That Mud Crab sounds wonderful and the balmy evening, Perth is getting a bit chilly at night now and we have some rain clouds in the sky tonight. Wish I were there lol

Anyway have a great night
Chellin

I will have a glass of red with you though

mattycat wrote:

Hi Wal,

You make me envious .. lovely balmy evening and a bottle or two of red ..for the hell of it! I love that .. well back to reality .. a grey day in Lancashire with rain threatening ... yes eating indoors tonight as per usual .. but the red ? well that is always a possibility ... Australian of course Laughing

Good news about James Rutherford and Mary Smythe ... and it would have been in Lancashire in those days, now Greater Manchester since 1972 ..

Thanks for keeping us informed and hope you will be back soon even if it's not about genealogy, mattycat

Carole wrote:

Hiya Wal,

Hope all is going OK for you. Sorry I've never told you "congratulations" for finding James & Mary's marriage! Great!

As I know that Manchester Cathedral Marriages are indexed on Lancashirebmd so far for 1837-1855 - thought would just check for the details they have at Manchester Registry Office - and this is it............

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1842

Surname Forename(s) RUTHERFORD James
Surname Forename(s) SMITH Mary
Church: Manchester Cathedral
Registers At: Manchester
Reference CATH/24/347

So - unless you have it already - you can order the Marriage Certificate directly from Manchester Registry Office by quoting the above reference number.

For interest - There's also the following RUTHERFORD indexed for the same year - so thought would note it - in case you later find that this Mary Rutherford might be a relative..........
RUTHERFORD * Mary & MCKINZIE Daniel
Manchester Cathedral / Registers at Manchester: Ref CATH/24/314
But other alternate entries for the same marriage have also been discovered by Manchester Reg Office & click on the "Rutherford *" link above - it should give you a list of the alternate entries.

Keep us informed good stuff!!

Good to follow your progress.

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Subject: Re: Smythe. Ireland. Tue 8 Jul 2008 - 17:34

walr wrote:

Carole,
Thanks for going to that trouble, I will order the certificate. Yes, there are so many mary's around I have now taken to calling them "bloody mary's." God; did I say that.? Never mind I will get better as time goes by. I managed to check a census or two and found that Mary Smyth was born in Ireland or it appears that way, so it looks like I will be heading back to Belfast.
Regards
Wal

Carole wrote:

Hi walr,

Yes - there are so many Mary Smiths, Smyths, Smythes!! I have a few in my family tree!! Laughing

When you have the certificate & if you decide that is definitely your Mary, married in Manchester - then we must be sure to put something on our East & South-East Lancashire Board >>>Here>>>
and later to add your interests to >>>The Smith List, Lancs, WRY, IoM>>>
So keep us informed, won't you.

But anyway - in the meantime - Here is a little party for you :ck-wink:
Go to >>>Happy Birthday Walr - 9th September!!>>>

walr wrote:

Hello Carole,
Could you tell me the advantage of ordering a birth cert from Manchester Cathedral when I have managed to download a copy that gives parents, addresses etc, not being smart, really want to know if there is any further detail on the purchased certificate. The only problem I have with this match is the occupation, both James and his father are listed in various places as mechanics. The marriage cert. of James Smythe and Catherine Totton in Belfast list his father as a carpenter. If you can make any sense out of this you are truly a wonderful moderator. How's mattycat these days, still plugging on I guess.
Regards
Wal

Gillian wrote:

Hi Walr

Carole is not about at the moment and I don't know enough about your family to help you very much. However Carole will be back before too long and I'm sure she will be in touch.
Keep up the good work, Gillian

walr wrote:

Thank you, Gillian.
Regards
Wal

maxine wrote:

Hiya Walr

I can not think of any more information from the birth certificate that you might get apart from where born but you might already have that and if a child has a twin the time is on the birth cert.

Hope this helps

Carole wrote:

Hi Wal

Hope all is going Ok for you, & I'm sorry I wasn't around at the time you posted in April. I had quite a bit of time absent from the Forums during April & May due to a bout of illness & other stuff. I'm still catching up with posts that I missed!!
And thanks very much Gillian and Maxine for stepping in here.
Wal - about your queries...........

25 April 2008, walr wrote:

.......... Could you tell me the advantage of ordering a birth cert from Manchester Cathedral when I have managed to download a copy that gives parents, addresses etc, not being smart, really want to know if there is any further detail on the purchased certificate.

As Maxine says, it sounds as though you have about as much information as you would get on the actual registration certificate - apart from - name of the person who registered the birth & the exact date of registration.
BUT, I'm curious......
as you've said "from Manchester Cathedral" and not "from Manchester Registry Office", I'm thinking you must mean that the document you have downloaded is perhaps the baptism record - is that correct? In which case - that will give the date of the baptism and possibly not the actual date of birth - which would be shown on the Birth registration certificate.

walr wrote:

..........The only problem I have with this match is the occupation, both James and his father are listed in various places as mechanics. The marriage cert. of James Smythe and Catherine Totton in Belfast list his father as a carpenter. If you can make any sense out of this ....

Could it be possible that James Snr had been a Carpenter and then - perhaps training of mechanics began - so he went for the training??? Only thing I can think of!!

walr wrote:

..........How's mattycat these days, still plugging on I guess.....

Carole wrote:

mattycat is no longer moderating at Smith Chat, Wal. She left to move on to other committments - and yes no doubt still plugging on in her new ventures.

Chat again soon Wal & is the >> Aussie football >> season still plugging on down-under?? We're waiting for an update from JohnT at the moment I think.

Carole Very Happy

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Carole wrote:

As soon as possible, I'll make a copy of some of this topic - about your Manchester connections & post it on our East and South-East Lancashire Board.

Done this now Wal.
A full copy of everything remains here on your "Smythe, Ireland" Topic,
and any posts related to your Manchester connection have been either
copied or split to new Topic on our East & S.East Lan Board
>> Smyth m Rutherford Manchester 1842 (of Irish origins) >>

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